I’ve taken notice of patterns in my wrestling to understand God’s word by way of the Bible. This morning throughout my church’s “sunday school” we tugged on the ropes of “pre-destination” and “free-will”.
Discussing these topics doesn’t usually grant me resolve and perhaps no one else either. I’m in no way ignorant intentionally trying to be ignorant, i think, when trying to understand these views (and subsequently or consequently understanding my own)
The reading was on 2 Thessalonians 2:9-15 (NIV I assume).
9] The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie
10] and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. they perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11] For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
12] and so that all will be condemned who have not believe the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
13] But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as first-fruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
14] He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15] So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you whether by word of mouth or by letter.
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Verses established. This ‘antichrist’ (person(s) idea(s)) will be satan’s ‘messiah’ so to speak. He/it/whatever will come into the world somehow and spread falsities by way of power via signs and wonders (Miracles from the point of view from a non-believer) I.E. Satan can act out of spiritual power, but that isn’t enough to prove someone is from God. Those who get caught up in the fallacy of this ‘antichrist(s)’and it’s message will be those who refuse(d) (implies conscientiousness of decision presented by a selection of choices) the truth.
Truth being that God IS, that Jesus is his son who died for all and that we are NOT Gods. Those who refuse (again willingly, knowingly) will be given that delusion, won’t be safe from the delusion(the truth) but be ‘handed’ over to their disbelief in God and belief that they themselves are God(s). Those who don’t choose the truth as explained in this context, will be condemned because they delight in their disbelief-active disbelief of God
*My meaning of the idea ‘believing they’re Gods’ assumes the ability to live, in all forms, apart from God through self-will and innate ability in any matter*
Verses 13 and on is more where I struggle to understand.
Paul is indirectly giving God praise and encouraging the believers in Thessalonica to be incredibly grateful, thankful, appreciative over their brothers and sisters (those around them that also chose belief in God/truth) because they have potential to be those who from the previous verses are perishing, choosing to not believe in the truth.
The wording used, “…because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit (also a part of God) and through belief in the truth (God)” generates the most curiosity in me. At first read, chosen most surely indicates ‘pre-destination’–as in God chose those select people of Thessalonica to become ‘saved’, implying the un-involvement of their choice to believe or not. I can see how that makes some sense. However, that doesn’t quite settle my curiosity nor fit how I’ve come to understand God.
After careful thought, “God ‘choosing us as firstfruits” begins to mean something different from pre-destination as I understand it. What are ‘firstfruits’? I think that firstfruits in this context refers to the first Christians, the people to accept Christ’s sacrifice, becoming the fruits of Christ’s laboring and death on this Earth. The time line these Thessalonians lived in is roughly 50-54AD, approximately 20 or so years after Christ’s death. These people are the first generation of Christians, not first as literally right after the apostles, but collectively part of the initial generation that chose truth–Jesus.
Using that established idea of the firstfruits, it then changes the meaning of “chose” in verse 13. Chosen doesn’t refer to people being forced (regardless of choice) to become Christians whether early in life or later, but instead means that all who accept Christ are adopted into the ‘chosen’ category. I think though, I’d like to use a different word to explain this, since chosen has such a different connotation and meaning than what makes sense to me in the text.
” But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as first-fruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
Perhaps the verse should read something like “But we ought always to thank God for those who accepted Christ’s gift, loved by the Lord (be made humbled and be honored) , because you’re part of the initial group God has adopted by Jesus to be saved by the works of the Spirit (through Christ’s death) and through belief in the truth. ”
Some argue that God calls someone, and it’s by His strength and mercy that one becomes saved, that there isn’t anything one as a powerless human could do of their own power to come to Jesus. I agree with some ideas, and it’s quite solid as far as predestination is concerned. Continuing down that road, i’m prompted by another question, being “If we were able to choose and be evil–taking from the tree, disobeying God, wouldn’t we be able to choose God?” If we are able to choose whether or not to accept Christ, does that mean it’s something by our inherent power or ability? Personally, I believe not necessarily. If God is the one who gave us the ability to choose, then I would say it is by His strength. His strength that he gave all humanity, through creating us with the ability to choose and also by Christ’s death.
I don’t know how accurate I am, be it bulls-eye or off the chart but I feel a need to attempt an understanding.
Ultimately, I come at this scripture with innate skepticism and a queer inkling of needing to find what i think might truly be there, as if there is something that we as Christians overlooked. Or maybe I’m trying to find where language caused error; if it’s translation or the way modern western civilization naturally interprets I want to be settled on scripture and understand what was written. I won’t say I’m 100% correct or that I’m even explaining this the way I think about it. It’s about me and why I struggle with scriptures like this. Hopefully my meaning is grasped and received.
Supporting scripture listed were Ephesians 1:4-5, Romans 9:15, Colossians 3:12-14, 2 Peter 3:9 and Luke 13:34.